J. Krishnamurti:  Is there any such relation, or is there only one thing, which is thought?  If there are no thoughts, there is no thinker.

When you are thinking — when you have thoughts, is there a thinker? If you have no thoughts at all, where is the thinker?

Now, having thoughts, seeing the impermanence of thoughts, the thinker comes into being. That is, thought creates the thinker; and because thoughts are transient, the thinker becomes the permanent entity.

There is first the process of thought, and then thought creates the thinker. The thinker then establishes himself as a permanent entity, apart from thoughts.

Thoughts are transient — they are always in a state of flux; and thought objects to its own impermanence, therefore thought creates the thinker.

It is not the other way round, the thinker does not create thought. If you have no thoughts, there is no thinker. So it is thought that creates the thinker.

Then we try to establish a relationship between the thinker, and the thought which has created him. That is, we try to establish a relationship between that which seeks to be permanent — which is the thinker (created by thought)  and the thought itself, which is transient. But obviously both are transient.

Thought, which is transient, creates the thinker; and though the thinker may imagine himself to be permanent, he also is transient — because the thinker is the outcome of thought.

“There is nothing stronger in the world than gentleness.” ~ Han Suyin

On the path of dhyan, or Zen, there is no burning at all because there is no hypothesis, no God. And it is not a question of love. A man of Zen is very loving, but he has not practiced love; it has come as a by-product of his realization. He has simply realized his own buddhahood. There is no question of another, a God somewhere else in heaven. He has simply reached his own center of life; and being there, he explodes into love, into compassion. His love comes after his enlightenment, it is not a method for enlightenment.

But for Sufis, love is the method. Because love is the method, it remains part of the mind. The effort on the path of Zen is to go beyond mind, to attain no-mind, to be utterly empty of all thoughts, love included. Zen is the path of emptiness ― no God, no love, nothing is to be allowed; just a pure nothingness in which you also disappear...

So although I love Sufis…  I would certainly say that you will have one day to change from Sufis to Zen.  Sufis are still living in imagination; they have not known the state of no-mind. And because they have not known the state of no-mind, however beautiful their personalities may become, they are still just close to enlightenment, but not enlightened. Remember, even to be very close is not to be enlightened.

And the reason is clear: Sufism is a branch, an offshoot of Mohammedanism. It carries almost all that is good in Mohammedanism. But Mohammedanism, Judaism, Christianity ― all are hypothetical.

There have been only two religions which are not hypothetical, Buddhism and Taoism. Zen is a crossbreed of these two, and the crossbreed is always better than both the parents. It is the meeting of Buddha and Lao Tzu; out of this meeting is born Zen. It is not Buddhism, it is not Taoism; it has its own individuality. It carries everything beautiful that comes from Buddha and everything great that comes from Lao Tzu. It is the highest peak that man has ever reached.”

OSHO
Rinzai: Master of the Irrational, #8.

Thanks to Indian Yoga International

The official Osho International Blog

There is a question of whether the Osho Meditation Resort in Pune, India should more rightfully be called a resort or a commune. Perhaps the question should be viewed as just a trivial matter of semantics — not really that important — however, it has been made important. So important, in fact, that it is one of the (many) criticisms repeatedly directed at the administrators of the Osho International Meditation Resort.

Swami Chaitana Keerti has been a long-time leader of this criticism. In an interview at rediff.com, Keerti says, “I am also against this crass commercialization. The commune is not a five star resort. It is a place of faith. We resent its commercialization. See the website for yourself and you will know what I mean. It looks like a tourist site today… It sells holidays. It sells the commune as a resort”

That interview took place ten years ago, but Keerti’s criticism of the OIF on this matter remains a constant to this day.

SOME OSHO QUOTES ON THE SUBJECT:

We have done no harm. We have really contributed something, created an oasis out of a desert, and if the government was helpful, fair, we would have changed this whole land into a luscious, green land full of many lakes, the best holiday resort in the whole country.

And we could have created great economic help to Oregon – which needs it, because it is millions of dollars in debt to the federal government. We could have created a place for the tourists from all over the world. Already, thousands of sannyasins are coming. If it becomes a beautiful resort place,nonsannyasins will also be coming.

From Bondage to Freedom, Ch 6

We want all these hills to be turned lush green, with beautiful cabins in tune and harmony with nature, so this place can become one of the best resort places.

From Bondage to Freedom, Ch 9

We will make this desert a lush green place, one of the places Oregon can be proud of– a beautiful holiday resort.

From Bondage to Freedom, Ch 24.

Now I want this place just to be a paradise — a holiday resort where you can relax, have a massage… soon there will be swimming pools, larger gardens and lawns…

The Hidden Splendor, Ch 21

Q:* AS PART OF THE CHANGES AT RAJNEESHPURAM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE PLACE BECOME A RESORT?

A:* Yes! Certainly.

Q:* WHAT KIND OF A RESORT DO YOU ENVISION…?

A:* Everything, because we have enough land — one hundred twenty-six square miles, three times than your New York. We can make it such a beautiful resort, with big lakes — we have made one; one we already have. We can make big lakes, boating. We can make small villas deep in the mountains for people just to rest. We can arrange all kinds of games….

The Last Testament, Vol 2

Q:* MANY PEOPLE I INTERVIEWED IN THE LAST DAYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE RAJNEESHPURAM TO BECOME A KIND OF A HOLIDAY RESORT.

A:* I would also like it.

Q:* DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS? I MEAN, DOES IT GO TOGETHER WITH THIS STRONG FEELING OF BELONGING TOGETHER, OF TIGHTLY KNIT RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY?

A:* No. No. I would like it to become a holiday resort, but the attorney general of Oregon seems to be a crackpot. We have been in every way financially helpful to the economy of Oregon. Already at least thirty thousand people per year are coming as visitors, particularly in festivals. If it becomes a holiday resort it can attract hundred times more people from all over the world, from America, and it will give Oregon an immense support economically.

The Last Testament, Vol 2

It can become the best holiday resort. Already in America no place attracts more people than Rajneeshpuram.

The Last Testament, Vol 3

So Osho declared his vision for a “resort,” not just once or twice, but repeatedly, and at different times. And Keerti was there with Osho during this whole time. He was a long-time insider. How did Keerti manage to not hear it? Or is it just that Osho’s vision doesn’t fit with Keerti’s vision?

A real prayer is simply prayer. It has no words; it is pure silence. It is a surrender in deep silence. In fact, it is not addressed to any God; it is bowing down to the whole existence. It is not an address. God is everywhere, all is God. So you simply bow down in tremendous gratitude, in ecstasy, in joy, in love. ~ Osho